Yay! Roeder’s going to jail!
When I first heard the news, I figured I’d urge everyone to celebrate by donating to Planned Parenthood.
You know what? We should do this every year. We can call it Roeder Day, just to piss off the anti-choice terrorists itching for a new martyr. It would certainly stick in Roeder’s craw.
Or we could call it Tiller Day, and move the day to a more appropriate time. After all, Tiller is the only hero in this, so why not give him a holiday in remembrance?
What do you think? Any ideas?
Kajed Heat 
Tiller and Roeder Karma Day?
‘Cause Tiller’s getting what he deserves (respect, rememberence, and a donation to the cause he risked and lost his life for), and Roeder’s getting what he deserves (people donating in his name to the cause he most hated, while he’s stuck in jail and unable to murder anyone else for it).
“Tiller Day” is better, but donating in Roeder’s name isn’t a bad idea. Roeder’s name should never be famous.
(by which I meant, it should be Tiller whose name is recognizable, who becomes a historical figure)
Apologies to everyone for the late moderation.
We could make it like old fashioned Guy Fawkes day and make little Roeder effigies to shore up donations in the street, if we really want to be stinkers. 🙂
And then afterward you BURN THEM! Or perhaps dispose of them in some other unique fashion.
Thanks for commenting everyone!
OR, we could simply treat the whole mess as simply yet another murder and not “celebrate” anything. OR, we could have a women’s rights day when some wife kills her husband for whatever reason. OR, we could have a legalize drugs day when one gang mows down another on the streets? When one person kills another for whatever reason, why should anyone celebrate anything? To prove a political point?
Horse Abuser,
“OR, we could have a women’s rights day when some wife kills her husband for whatever reason.”
Gee, that’s EXACTLY like celebrating the conviction of a murderous terrorist! Good lord, I’ve met sequoia trees that were less thick.
Probably one of the worst things we can do is NOT note the political in all this. Pro-lifers have a history of actions like this, and we need to keep putting the pressure on until people finally start getting it.
Tiller was just a guy making a really good living taking advantage of of frightened, misguided, desparate women who evidently had no outside support for the situation in which they had found themselves. That does not make him a hero. That makes him a capitalist.
Your post does little to dispel the notion that pro-lifers 1.)do no fucking research whatsoever and 2.) can’t help being condescending to pregnant women.
Dr. Tiller did medically necessary abortions, nearly all of which were very much wanted by the woman in question. Placental abruptions, septic pregnancies, and so on. You know, the ones that even most pro-lifers claim to make exceptions for.
You might want to acquaint yourself with some of Dr. Tiller’s oh-so “misguided” patients before you dismiss them all as easily-spooked addle-brained strawwomen.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/5/31/737320/-The-George-Tiller-I-Knew
http://www.aheartbreakingchoice.com/kansasstories.html
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20031222/ayrey
http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/06/01/late_term_abortion/index.html
Kathryn,
No, Kathryn, that makes him what he always was, a doctor, with a political view different from yours. Tiller did nothing illegal, in my view, but certainly not yours, or immoral. Kaje has the politics correct, I just disparage her tone and venom promoting her side of the argument. The whole mess was a tragedy and not cause for celebration or gloating.
Anson
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NDM5NGYyYWMxZDY3NWFmYjhjZmJiNTI2YmRjZmRlYWE=
Several first hand testimonies from Tiller’s patients versus one random National Review guy’s uninformed moralistic prattle?
I CANNAE COMPETE!
Anson,
I don’t have a different political view, I have a moral view. Politics shouldn’t even been in the abortion debate. It is simply a moral debate.
Stop flirting with Anson, Kat. The man is married and uninterested.
Kathryn,
And you have ever right in the world to such moral views. Absolutely no one should disparage you or ridicule your morality particularly when is is based on your own and private faith.
But in my view, you have no right to attempt to impose your morality on me or others through the force of government. If or when you petition government to take action based on your own moral views that contradict mine, that is when the argument starts and as with abortion becomes irreconcilable and goes on forever. Such petitioning of government also moves from the realm of moral arguments to politics. And with anything political it is subject to all sorts of “stuff”, such “stuff” being a call for celebration or holiday related to a murder.
You and I might have a reasonable private discussion over say the resurrection of Christ and never come to full agreement. If we held that discussion in public blogs imagine the “input” we would receive. Both of us would be held to ridicule and disdain by opposite sides. And neither of us would back off of our own “morality” or lack thereof. In essence that is the debate over abortion. Best left for private thought and discussion rather than public pronouncements to bring the debate into political cicles which this and other blog sites are for sure.
Kaje once responded to me that “Faith is crap” and in reading her blog and comments to others she obviously believes that sentiment. Fine with me and really pointless to argue as far as I am concerned, at least in a political forum.
Anson
JohnnyKaje – I like the Guy Fawkes angle! Those nutty Brits, celebrating an insurrectionist . . . good thing we are NOTHING like them. Fawkes, God rest his soul, was thwarted and had no victims to be celebrated. He showed considerable courage in bearing torture without betraying other secrets.
So, I vote for ‘Tiller Day’. The guy was an American hero. No amount of remuneration compares to the threats he endured for many years, while selling his very specialized medical care to women in great need. – Jim
This is truth.
Jim and Kaje,
Now I get it. Tiller is a martyr like Martin Luther King, right?
Anson
I would say “assassination victims,” rather than “martyrs,” but basically yeah.
It’s like expressing joy that a pedophile or any other criminal is brought to justice. It’s not degrading the victim or the crime to cheer on the criminal’s due punishment.
On further thought, despite the schadenfreude of attaching his name to a cause he detested enough to throw his own life away for it, naming a pro-choice holiday “Roeder Day” makes as much sense as naming a civil rights holiday “James Earl Ray Day”. It’d be nice to get them back for a few seconds, but that would quickly fade away and then no one would remember the actual important person. So Tiller Day it is.
Now! How to make it a holiday? Does anyone have a Schoolhouse Rock DVD I can borrow? I’m sure they covered holiday lobbying…
You need to look at Robert P. George’s credentials. Also, everyone should google his name and read what he has to say about abortion. Here is a link with more information about who he is and his qualifications:
http://www.bioethics.gov/about/george.html
So, he is a random National Review guy?
The holiday could be a day of mourning, for the murdered unborn and for the women who are victems also.
And again, I say, it is not a political issue. It is a moral issue. Politics have nothing to do with any of it.
When a baby is aborted the blood shed is human blood. It doesn’t matter at what stage of development the fetus is in. The blood is human blood.
He may be a well-credentialed random National Review Guy, but alas, that’s all he is. I couldn’t help but notice he lacks degrees in medicine and biology, not to mention a uterus, but whatevs.
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/12/25/13221/026
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/12/31/84037/372
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060313/blumenthal
Did you even read the writings from Tiller’s actual patients and colleagues? Or must they remain faceless strawfolk in silent service of the argument?
How about these scientists who are pro-life? Are their credentials good enough for you?
http://www.epm.org/artman2/publish/prolife_human_rights/Scientists_Attest_To_Life_Beginning_At_Conception.shtml
No matter what reason is used to have an abortion, it doesn’t change the fact that if you gathered all of the blood and all of the tissue from the Abortion clinic’s refuse cans and you then scientifically tested it to see if it belonged to a monkey, a dog, a cat, etc., it would test positively as belonging to a human who is now dead.
That is the fact that has to be faced. A human life is ended. Does the reason matter? It is still a fact that a human life has ended.
And also, if, for instance, the unborn child has horrible birth defects and will possibly suffer and die after birth, is it not more humane to allow them to die in their mother’s arms as opposed to being burned by a solution or having their brain sucked out by someone who is thinking “I can use the money I’m making off of this to take my wife to Europe next spring”?
I mean, really, how cold is that?